Educating Christians

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• 1 Anonymous // Jun 21, 2006 at 5:46 pm

  Please check out this website that is making very bad comments about BSF….thanks.

  http://watch.pair.com/bsf.html

• 2 brenda // Sep 8, 2006 at 11:36 am

  Is it true that your Bible study leaders are required to have never been divorced even if the divorce took place before they were born again?

  what are the requirements to start a BSF in a church?

• 3 Anonymous // Sep 13, 2006 at 3:35 am

  That person who wrote those things about BSF in that link above has no sense of grace and no sense of who God really is. I doubt she’s a true believer at all. Poor thing. She really needs to attend a BSF Bible Study.

• 4 The Merry Rose // Oct 4, 2006 at 4:42 pm

  Having been to a number of BSF groups over the years – it has certainly helped me to know what I believe and why I believe it.

  The best way to find out about BSF is to go to one and ask questions. There are a lot of different classes around Australia – check the website for details of these classes.

• 5 Maggie // Nov 3, 2006 at 2:42 pm

  It is amazing that there is only one internet dissenter. (Provided by the June 21 poster.) Considering that there are so many classes throughout the world. The hardest part of BSF for those who find conflict, is their perspective of their responsibility to point out areas of disagreement during the discussion. If the class member feels extremely responsible for correcting those around them and is unable to permit the discussion of God\’s word to bear fruit in due season, then BSF can be problematic. The dissenter listed first seems to have a perspective of christianity that is more fundamentalist than evangelical. I can\’t go into the details because of the extensiveness of the discussion.

  Regarding divorce. My experience has been than BSF insists on a biblical perspective of divorce and leadership. That having been said, I personally know of divorced women who served as Children\’s Leaders.

  Overall, anyone who wants a complete study of God\’s word and is not determined to engage every potential disagreement, will benefit from BSF.

• 6 anonymous // Feb 5, 2007 at 5:48 am

  From another dissenter: I attended two BSF meetings and learned real quick that you cannot discern nor evangelize there. They render these spiritual gifts useless at their meetings. I wonder if Jesus would be silenced and asked not to return back to a BSF group if he preached Matthew 23 today. Here Jesus can publically condemn those who are against God, yet we cannot condemn a modern day godless group or person at a BSF meeting. The control they assert is scary. This is America what ever happened to freedom of speech?

• 7 Michelle // Feb 14, 2007 at 3:03 pm

  Just to clarify, I have been a part of BSF bible studies for over 6 years, and have found that there are a lot of rules to be followed. As far as leadership goes, if someone interested in leadership has been divorced, or if they are married to a divorced individual, then they are not allowed to be a discussion or teaching leader. Hoever, they are allowed to be a children’s discussion leader or an administrative leader. They are also required to be an active member of a church and to abstain from drinking any alcoholic beverage. If a married woman, their husband must be supportive of their taking a leadership role in BSF as well.

  For members, they must follow many rules, which include not mentioning what church or denomination they belong to, what books they are reading or any sources (such as commentary) other than the Bible or BSF notes.

  Overall, I have found it a helpful tool to studying the Bible. I did get tired of the rules.

• 8 Gayle // Apr 29, 2007 at 5:09 am

  I have been reading some of the comments and particularly the “A Closer Look” which was obviously written by an intelligent, thoughtful woman searching for a pure way to study God’s word and worship him. Some people try to detract from what she has to say by saying she’s just a lost, poor soul, but each of us arrives at our spiritual destination on our own with the help of our dear Lord and our own convictions.

  When I encountered the blunt statement in class that no divorced woman could be a discussion leader (this couched in lessons about not being a stumbling block to others who have a weaker faith and not judging others)
  I got lots of warning bells.

  It seems to me this is quite exclusionary. They seem to be intimating that divorced women leading the class will be a stumbling block to others,
  most likely our sister catholics as their church forbids divorce.

  I can understand that to a point. But this is a very hurtful rule. This does not allow for spiritual growth or the fact that we are all sinners but God has forgiven and therefore we must not judge ourselves or others for past sins. It also doesn’t take into account that Paul was a murderer yet God allowed, no He DEMANDED that Paul go out and teach all nations!. There are other examples of this in the Bible. David was an adulterer and a murderer yet God forgave and loved him!

  People who, like these who have been forgiven much learn much and become among God’s most useful and faithful. They are not tainted because Jesus suffered mightily that we might be reborn andbe able to raise our eyes to Him and witness, and yes, even teach to others through our own example, and through diligent study of His Word.

  There is the argument that in the Bible we as women should not be teaching at all. I have no qualms either way, I only question their rigid adherence to rules that are not beneficial.

  n the NT women were not educated and did not read or write. They had all they could do to just manage their households, it was also the culture of the day to cover their heads as a sign that they honored their husbands. In the same way today, we should cover our bodies modestly in order to show respect to our husbands

  There are other rules that detract from our worshipful fellowship, such as not being able to ask for a last minute prayer for a loved one or ourselves during ASK. This is not strictly adhered to and some are allowed to while others are told they can’t. This may be an anomaly of my class, a subtle discrimination or favor of some, or just bad leadership, but it comes across as another hurtful exclusionary practice.

  I put away childish things many years ago (after high school), and in short I find the atmosphere rather cliquish, although I have learned a lot about the scriptures I studied over the last 3 plus years. There are many wonderful ladies that attend, I pray that those making up the rules would reexamine them according to God’s Word

  My above treatise is made in hope that it might cause people to make BSF more effective and welcoming for ALL of those who want to study God’s word. Amen

• 9 Anonymous // Aug 21, 2007 at 5:52 am

  I have been involved with BSF for approximately three years.

  One positive aspect of my involvement with BSF is that it has awakened my passion to study the Word, and it holds me accountable to do so. I am very, very grateful for this.

  However, the organization is far from being faultless. Here are some of the things that I perceive as drawbacks:

  I have mixed feelings about the policy which bars divorced women from being discussion and teaching leaders. If a divorced woman who wanted to be a part of BSF leadership had the attitude of, “I’ve been a Christian my whole life, but I fell out of love with my ex-husband, divorced him, and have been happily remarried to another man for the past five years,” I would agree with BSF’s stance to not allow her to participate. But the rule becomes more difficult to support with respect to women whose divorces constituted unilateral decisions made by their husbands, women who were divorced and remarried before they became Christians, etc. In my opinion, BSF should get rid of its draconian rule and evaluate whether divorced women can participate in discussion and teaching leadership on a case-by-case basis instead.

  BSF’s format does facilitate false teaching. In one instance I made a comment during a discussion time that I later realized was scripturally incorrect. Assuming the discussion leader knew that what I had said was erroneous, I wished she would have been empowered by BSF to correct me for the benefit of everyone in the group. It can also be difficult to get access to teaching leaders if one would like clarification on a lecture item or to point out something problematic that was said (telling the truth in love), as there is not a lot of time after the lectures to do so and they do not give out their contact information. I have a feeling that teaching leaders purposely make themselves rather inaccessible because they don’t want to take the time to answer questions, but I find this troubling as taking time to answer questions is generally viewed by teachers of all disciplines as a component of responsible teaching. I also think it violates the Christian principle of accountability. After all, whenever I want to speak to my pastor about something he said during a sermon, whether it involves a question or a doctrinal difference, I can send him an E-mail message and he can respond!

  I, too, wonder whether the Scriptures permit women to teach in the church at all. I am quite certain that many of the BSF teaching leaders would not support their churches’ having female pastors, so how do they justify their own teaching? (I suspect many would say they aren’t actually teaching in church; rather, they are teaching parachurch groups.) The standards seem pretty arbitrary to me.

  To those who are considering becoming involved with BSF, I say: Do so in prayer, and know that some bad will have to be taken with the good.

• 10 Jim Alderman // Aug 23, 2007 at 5:03 pm

  I have three simple questions:

  When does the next session begin in September 2007?

  Everett Washington is the nearest meeting location?

  What will be the topic for this year?

  Thank you for taking the time in this matter.

  Sincerely,

  Jim Alderman
  former discussion leader at BSF

• 11 anonymous // Oct 9, 2007 at 4:29 am

  BSF is a very good bible study for someone who really wants to examine the scriptures. I\’ve participated on and off for several years. If a person compares the attendence rules (no more than 3 consecutive absences; you will be disenrolled; people on waiting lists in some areas) to attendence in a college course, it will make more sense. The other rules are not without controversy. The gospel is for a lost world, for people who have many faults and failings. If they require marital perfection (in their view) for leadership, the obvious result of such a policy is a kind of self righteousness. This self righteousness comes across at times. (Some of the leaders are more mature and spiritual so this observation is not a universal one; just like at your local church.) Hopefully, the BSF hierachy will prayerfully reexamine this policy and allow God to speak to them afresh. They have recently relaxed some rules, so that\’s a good sign. Be careful not to speak of any personal issues that you don\’t want revealed without your permission. Take a balanced approach to BSF. If there are teachings that you disagree with and have Biblical support, stand firm in what you believe. Having said that, I would heartily recommend the study to any and every person. I do and will continue to.

• 12 Sheila // Oct 15, 2007 at 12:50 am

  Where do you have sessions close to the Bellevue, WA area?

• 13 Trish McCarthy // Oct 22, 2007 at 6:58 am

  Wow! I knew that the Holy Spirit was “pricking” my conscience, but I didn’t know on how many levels. I just had this nagging feeling that something wasn’t right with BSF. It started when I just didn’t feel comfortable each week listening to a woman “preach.” This is not biblical—–bottom line. There is no gray area in this matter…the Lord makes it very clear.

  Then, today at lunch, my friend was mentioning that when her neighbor was a discussion leader she was not allowed to drink at all. Another red flag. Didn’t Jesus participate in drinking wine in His day? This is SO legalistic…I know what the reasoning is…they don’t want to be a stumbling block to others. But, they are coming across as being pious, self-rightous and extremely legalistic. This, in the long run, will do WAY more damage than beeing seen having a glass of wine at dinner.

  Then, I got on the internet and found out that you can’t lead a group if you’ve been divorced…WHAT?????????? This is the most ludicrous thing I have ever heard. (In the same vein, are there NOT sins that the current leaders have committed that should prevent them from leading as well?) What did Jesus come to earth for? Didn’t he provide forgiveness and atonement for the divorces/sins of these women? Can’t the Lord use an experience like a divorce to minister to another woman in the group? Is a woman going to be LESS of a leader because of a failed marriage? Or has she become stronger…learned to depend on Him more through her trials? Has she maybe been able to identify with Christ’s sufferings more?

  And, I will never understand the rule about NOT witnessing to others in the group. Have they forgotten about The Great Commission? This goes against the very core of what we are called to do as followers of Christ.

  I’m done with BSF…no looking back or second-guessing this one.

  There are a variety of other Bible studies out there that will keep me in His Word (like maybe just reading strictly HIS WORD!?!?!?!) without having to compromise my beliefs…

  Those of you who stay in BSF because you like the study…why not just read HIS WORD????????????? Don’t be lukewarm… we know what the Lord says about that! Don’t you think He’ll give you what you need? He will honor your decision to follow Him and not man.

  Trish McCarthy
  Austin, Texas

• 14 Trish McCarthy // Oct 23, 2007 at 2:38 pm

  I posted a reply yesterday…I don’t know if it made it to the blog or not…but there is no need to post it if it hasn’t. I felt I made some strong statments based on emotion without getting all my facts straight first.

  I still have many questions and concerns and do not agree with several of BSF’s “rules”…especially the one regarding not allowing a divorced person to be a discussion leader. What if the person wasn’t saved when they went through their divorce? What if they didn’t choose to get divorced or the other person was unfaithful?

  I, myself, am not divorced, but I know some godly women who are…and I know they would make wonderful leaders…in BSF or any Bible study for that matter. To not allow them to serve in that capacity would very hurtful…a lot of damage would be done…and BSF would be making a huge mistake (as I feel they truly are.)

  My prayer is that the Lord would continue to reveal truth to me, and to all those involved in BSF…especially those in leadership roles. May He grant us all His mercy and GRACE.

  In Jesus’ holy and precious name,
  Amen.

• 15 Julia // Nov 15, 2007 at 6:57 am

  In response to the previous reference to Paul being a murderer who was not only allowed, but commanded, to preach:
  The difference is that students of Paul’s would not then look at his example and decide that was a fine road that he took and that they might be happy like that too if they, too, kill someone. A discussion group member could, for example, decide that the divorced leader appears better off for her divorce and take it as encouragement to do the same (not seeing that she may be just as much happier after a few more years working on her current marriage). This wouldn’t happen with other sins I can think of which are repented and turned from or struggled against. Some sins, unfortunately, have a fall-out of consequence in this life that continues despite the fact that they are totally forgiven.

• 16 annoymous // Nov 16, 2007 at 2:58 pm

  I have been in BSF for quite some time. The Lord has used this ministry to grow me closer to Him, and I have seen the way it has changed the lives of many other women. The ministry is dedicated to focusing on the truth of God’s word. Yes, it allows people of all denominations and unsaved are welcome to attend if they choose, but that does not change the fact that BSF always focuses on what God says in His word. This is most important to me.

  Yes, there are many guidelines to follow in BSF, but I have learned that each one has a reason behind it. The guidelines help the ministry to stay focused on the Bible.

  The guideline on not allowing divorced women to be a discussion leader or teaching leader is difficult, and may seem to some at first that the rule is condemning those who have been divorced. BSF acknowledges the fact that divorce is a sin, but a sin that can be forever forgiven by Jesus Christ. Though divorced women in BSF cannot lead other women they can still be in leadership positions such as Class Administrator or a Children’s leader (because these positions would not require a leader to shepherd someone who is considering divorce). This guideline does have a good reason behind it. Divorce is so prevalent in our culture and something that many women deal with everyday. Many women in BSF seek guidance from their Discussion leader if entertaining the thought of divorce. If BSF allowed divorced women to lead other women then it may be a stumbling block for a young Christian considering divorce. They could think, “You got a divorce and your fine so why don’t I”. This is NOT to say that this situation would happen with every divorced woman in leadership because many divorced women do regret the decision or perhaps did not even have a say in the decision. However, the strong possibility of this happening has caused BSF to stand on that guideline.

  In the end, we know that BSF is a God honoring ministry which is prayed over daily. It glorifies the Lord Jesus Christ, and desires women to both know and apply His word to their lives. Though Christians may disagree with the guideline about divorce, at least we can agree that God is moving in this ministry that honors His word. He will certainly use any women divorced or not who is willing to be used by God (It may or may not be through the BSF ministry, but He will certainly use us as long as we make ourselves available).

• 17 Anonymous // Nov 28, 2007 at 5:35 pm

  I am in my sixth year in BSF. I have served as both a discussion leader and an assistant class administrator. I’ve read through the comments above and regret that so many take issue with the matter over divorce. It is a difficult stance–one that the leadership at BSF Headquarters prays over continually. As a former discussion leader, I can testify that women do come to you with problems in their marriage. This is a shepherding role, so the life experience of the discussion leader can have great influence in a discussion group member’s marital decision.

  I confess that it has been hard for me to reconcile the pain this issue causes. I have absolute love and mercy for those that have suffered an unfaithful spouse. I know many women that never wished to be divorced, but were unable to keep their marriages together–after all it takes three (two spouses and the Lord). It would be gentler if class members that have suffered through a divorce, but have adhered to biblical standards, could be allowed to serve in this position. It is hurtful to many that they can not–although there are plenty of other leadership roles where they CAN serve.

  I do not profess to know the prayerful reasons why BSF Headquarters has decided to leave this leadership standard in place, but I feel confident that it has nothing to do with legalism. Divorce is at best messy. If BSF were to accept divorced discussion leaders on a case-by-case basis, who would discern whether one person qualifies, but another does not? Would it be prudent to discuss the intimate details behind the reasons for the divorce to determine qualification? These are private matters and best left private. With such a large organization, Headquarters could quickly become bogged down in dealing with these details instead of focusing on the higher purpose of the ministry.

  Divorce is unavoidably hurtful and scarring. BSF does not wish to add to the pain of divorce, but they do believe in promoting marriage and desire their discussion leaders to have strong marriages so that they can shepherd effectively. By leading others to grow in their faith in Jesus Christ, they also lead them to the One that heals all pain.

  There are many other negative comments that have been made that I will merely address with the following: BSF now has over 1000 classes around the world. This growth would not have been possible without God’s hand of blessing upon the organization. The organization takes a very high view of God and encourages this high view in those that attend the study. The Bible study is a four-fold approach. An approach that causes you to not only read your Bible, but to apply it to your life. Any misunderstandings/errors that arise during the discussion period are usually resolved when the discussion leader refers the group members to the detailed notes (commentary) and the lecture which follows the discussion period.

  BSF has transformed my relationship with God. It has taught me who God is, and who I am in relationship to Him. I highly recommend the organization to anyone that wants to seriously study God’s Word and apply it to their life. If you are the type of person that detests “rules”…you should know that we refer to these “rules” as guidelines. The guidelines keep our discussions focused on Jesus Christ–and for that, I am most grateful. And I am most grateful to the godly wisdom of the BSF organization.

• 18 anonymous // Dec 7, 2007 at 5:16 am

  Is a teaching leader supposed to restrict their friendship and fellowship with those attending BSFI who are not discussion leaders? And where can you find a list of distinctives/rules/guidelines? signed, not sure what to think

• 19 anonymous // Jan 29, 2008 at 2:01 am

  BSF does not restrict the Teaching Leader friends or tell them who they can be friends with in the study. BSF is not a cult. It’s like any other Bible study but more indept. Yes, they do require commitment to come every week because membership is limited by the host church facilities. BSF does not want to use the hosting churches resources. Everything BSF uses at the church is put back the way it was found. If a person is not commited to showing up every week another is waited to take their place. Individual discussion groups are limited to keep it small and personal. Some classes have 300 members.

  I have been a member for ten years. That’s how wonderful it is to belong. I have been to church all my life. I even work for a church as secretary for five years but nothing I have been taught holds a candle to what I have learned in BSF. BSF teaches you how to read the Bible and see what God is saying to you personally.

  BSF has changed my life for the better. I now teach in my church and attend regularly. I teach my grandchildren what the Bible says and show them how to read it on their own. My marriage is better because I know what God expects of me.

  Yes, there are guidelines but with that many members you have to have an understanding what is expected of you.

• 20 Anonymous // Mar 11, 2008 at 10:04 pm

  Are there other requirements for being a group leader other than not having been divorced?

• 21 Lamb // Apr 16, 2008 at 9:57 am

  I recently checked out BSF for a friend. I found the website cold but was not sure why. I check out the belief statement and it seemed right. Later I realized why the site was so cold,…of all the pages on the site Jesus’ name was only mentioned on ONE!!! (the belief statement page). Other than that, Jesus name was sequestered out of the picture.

  Isn’t a personal relationship with Jesus the goal? An intimate walk with our loving Shepard? If this is really the purpose of BSF why reduce Jesus name to one page???? This is a HUGE red flag.

  We are in the last days. Discernment is necessary. Satan will implement a one-world church. Ecumenical groups should be questioned during these last days. Do not be deceived, many will appear as angels of light. I am not saying BSF is a cult but restricting Jesus name on a website bringing all denominations together in one group without letting them discuss what church they belong to is just plain wrong. We are to be accountable and BSF is trying to eliminate accountability.

  I find it quite interesting that BSF wants to give the historical background to the books of the bible being studied but won’t allow for those in the background to provide their history so that group members know where they are coming from. Even if most of the group members are Christians and only one is from a cult don’t we know that when that person comments they may bring in destructive heresies????! Especially when the discussion leader does not correct the error of that persons comments???! This is dangerous.

  I would urge those who want to study to spend much time in prayer and then going to the word and reading with Jesus. The Holy Spirit will guide you and be your teacher. He is awesome. I learned so much more from Him than I ever did in a class. Give Him a chance to teach you and He will! And the best part is, you can trust Him completely.

  Love and Grace to each of you in Jesus Christ our good Shepard,
  Lamb

• 22 Blessed Discussion Leader // Apr 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm

  I have been a discussion leader for 3 years. During this time, I have greatly deepened my faith and walk in Jesus Christ and am learning day by day to yield more and more to His will for my life and not my own.

  When I first began hearing about BSF, I was convinced it was some legalistic organization that was rule focused, not Christ or people focused. However, as I have participated in BSF these past years, I have come to have a very different perspective.

  As for any organization, BSF is not perfect. However, it is an organization, I believe that wholeheartedly seeks to serve our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to educate all who come to know Jesus through the Bible, to develop and strengthen one’s walk with Christ, and encourage them to serve in a local Christ-centered church.

  BSF began many years ago with basically no or little guidelines. Throughout the years, in it’s efforts to teach scripture effectively and to help people become disciplined and committed Christians, guidelines has been put into place. Guidelines as well as all aspects of BSF are regularly prayed for and evaluated by BSF Headquarters staff.

  As a Discussion Leader I am encouraged and trained to shepherd the women in my group each week. As we share our lessons, each woman is encouraged to apply scripture as they learn it through their lesson questions to their lives. Some have said there is never “correction” in class. This is not true. If something is said that is way off base scripturally, there is room for clarification from the leader. Further clarification is given in the notes and in the lecture. The discussion period is not a “free-for-all” where any opinion goes, but the questions are designed for the woman to seek answers from scripture itself and answers the questions based on whatever scriptural references are given. As a discussion leader, we are also encouraged to remember love and grace and our aim is to help people in their walk with Christ or help them develop a relationship with Christ. If clarification is needed, it is best done with gentleness and kindness and there are many ways to do this within the discussion period or afterward if necessary.

  BSF encourages not mentioning denominations because many have preconceived notions as to beliefs of particular denominations. However, when studying scriptural truths, your focus is not on denominational differences, but what scripture is actually teaching in a particular passage. There is no room for sharing of destructive heresies because throughout the sharing, a good discussion leader will ensure that a Biblical answer is given. As we study scripture, we begin to learn discernment through the Holy Spirit as well as scriptural and personal accountability. If there is any confusion in the class, it is generally clarified in the reading of the notes, in the lecture following the group discussion or through personal discussion between discussion leader and class participant. There may be questions that are geared for more “application” or “opinion” to get class members to think. However, a discussion leader will manage a discussion group to keep discussion Christ centered and Biblically focused.

  As far as the divorce guideline, that is a very difficult one. Divorce can be a terribly painful experience, especially if one is an unwilling participant. The reasons for this guideline are 1) It may be difficult to shepherd a woman contemplating divorce if a leader has been divorced. 2) It would be difficult to evaluate on a case-by-case basis as far as whether one perspective leader’s divorce situation is all right, but another’s isn’t. Never in my experience does BSF teach that divorce is unforgiveable or different from any other sin. There are several areas in BSF where divorced women can serve. For any divorced women out there, please be encouraged to know that the BSF Headquarter’s leadership that makes and evaluates these guidlines knows how difficult this one is and I am convinced that it is not in place to cause or deepen the hurt of anyone having gone through a divorce. It is a difficult thing to consider when setting up leadership qualifications. Perhaps this guideline will change in the future.

  As far as the cricism for A.S.K., the group is encouraged to support each other through prayer for family situations. It is not designed to be exclusive, but a way where each member can support each other’s BSF learning and family experience. The reason why last minute requests are not taken is because each leader has a limited amount of time at the end of discussion period to read the requests. Each member is encouraged to contact the leader before-hand to give their request. This is to help encourage discipline in daily prayer and thoughtfulness to submitting prayer requests.

  A teaching leader gives tremendously of their time throughout the year to giving lectures, leading Leader’s meetings, prayer, and many other responsibilities. It is a “volunteer” full-time job they do selflessly because God has called them to it. I don’t believe any purposely try to be inaccessible. I’m sure there are some that are more outgoing than others and they all differ in personality. They are different than Pastors whose job it is to shepherd their flock through preaching and many other avenues throughout the week at their church.

  I have grown tremendously, more than from any other Bible Study, through BSF. It is because of the studying straight from scripture, the emphasis on applying God’s word, discernment through the Holy Spirit, encouragement of personal accountability, prayer and personal support. I have no doubt God is blessing BSF. As stated before, like any organization, BSF is not perfect and does evaluate and implement change at times. Satan will always try to bring division and discord anywhere where the word of God is being taught and proclaimed. BSF is not immune to those “Satanic attacks”. Yet I firmly believe that it is an organization that seeks to teach, proclaim and apply scriptural truths to the lives of those who take it’s classes.

  Love in Christ,
  BSF Discussion Leader

• 23 oncealeader // May 6, 2008 at 5:09 am

  Regarding other requirements, a dozen years ago they included the above mentioned (never divorced, has a position of service in her own church, can’t discuss denominational affiliation), as well as that one’s church membership must be non-Catholic and non-charismatic. Also…. you could not be over weight. Apparently it was considered a mark of discipline to maintain a proper physical appearance. I remember one early morning (our leadership met weekly at 5:00 a.m.) being oh-so-sweetly reminded that our skirts needed to cover our knees when sitting down (and I do mean skirts, at that time, if I remember correctly, we were not allowed to wear pants).

  Oh yeah, we were also not allowed to tell anybody else what the “rules” were….

  Perhaps the rules have been relaxed, but after ten years, when I revisted BSF and observed the widening ecumenical practices, I feel that if I recommended it today to anyone other than a mature, discerning Christian who could wisely eat the fish and spit out the bones, I would be sending that person into a situation where the truth may not ever be clarified.

• 24 Ann // May 19, 2008 at 11:19 am

  As one who has seen numerous lives changed, families reconciled and people brought to faith in Christ through the power of God’s Word as it is taught at BSF, I wanted to clarify a few things for those whose information is off-base. What makes BSF helpful to many, I believe, is is its logical, consistent and coherent approach to presenting the complete truth of Scripture in a way that aims to help people estaplish spiritual disciplines for themselves – disciplines like Bible study, prayer . . . which many don’t know how to do and have trouble establishing as daily habits. This in itself is Christ-centered – the Bible is the story of Christ and our need for Him and this is clearly taught, as anyone at any BSF class can tell you.

  The overall aim of BSF is is presented at every BSF Introduction class every month, worldwide, and is to teacht the Bible to produce in all participants a vibrant relationship with God and, in as many as are called, a passion to commit without reservation to lead in the cause of Christ in the world.

  Frankly, it pains me deeply to see all the focus on the extraneous. Many of the things others write about, such as skirt length, are not requirements and even if they were, is it such a bad thing to be somewhat modest when doing the work of Christ in the world? Nonetheless, BSF leaders wear pants and skirts alike and are a variety of weights too. Of course the teaching leader can be friends with class members (ours has many close friends in the class, as well as many excellent relationships developed through the class) but whether or not she has time to do a whole lot of “hanging out” is another issue, I guess! These people are not super-human, and preparing a 45-minute lecture, plus preparing for the leaders’ meeting, running the class, etc. all takes a lot of time, in addition to their normal family & work lives. I’m sure she’s more accessible than the previous writer thinks. . . but watch her after class. Ours is always mobbed, but she always stays until she talks to everyone and she always seems happy to do so. If you want to talk to her (or him, if you’re a man), it just might take a few minutes of waiting, and don’t expect a 20-min. in- depth conversation. If she doesn’t give out her contact information, it’s probably because everyone would call her all the time and, again, she is a volunteer with a busy life. She probably already gets a lot of calls from those determined to seek her out, from leaders, etc. It is sad, I think, that Christians are often quick to criticize those who are willing to step out as leaders rather than take a minute to put ourselves in their place. These classes often have 200-500 people. Would I want that many people to call me every week to discuss doctrine?? I don’t have that much free time! Besides, every BSF class member has a discussion leader (small group leader), and that is what they are for – to help people find answers to questions. And, the best thing to do when you have a doctrinal question is to search out the answer for yourself – this is what BSF teaches people to do – study & search the Scriptures and ask God to teach you as you do, rather than depend on someone else as a “crutch” to provide all the answers.

  Even a rather in-depth study like BSF can’t provide all the answers, as I’m coming to see . . . and that’s the beauty of it. It’s supposed to just make us want to learn more about God for ourselves – after all, it only lasts 7 years and after that, there’s no one to call except God!

  The focus of the organization is the
  goal stated above – teaching the Bible with the goal of helping people developing that wonderful vibrant relationship with God. Matt. 28:20 clearly says that lifelong learning is part of the Christian’s life and while many may already know how to study the Bible on their own, many more do not . . . and many, many more are not yet Christians. There is certainly a need for the Bible to be taught in as many venues as possible, and for people to be encouraged as they study it so they can get started on that path to lifelong learning that leads to a vibrant relationship with God.

  It is my hope that all Christians, whether they choose to attend such a ministry or not, or whether they agreee with any or all of the relatively minor procedural points that are used to carry out this greater mission (especially when not sure if they have their facts correct or not) will support all ministries endeavoring to carry out Christ’s work of reconciliation on earth and, when they don’t find it possible to say something edifying, will refrain from saying something that could be used by our enemy as a hindrance to Kingdom work and for which, quite possibly, we may be held accountable one day when we stand before our King.

• 25 T // Jun 7, 2008 at 10:01 am

  If you’ve never been to BSF first hand then please don’t say anything about it negative based on ignorance.

  It lets YOU study the bible and learn what its telling you. There’s nothing better than having a structured study to learn God’s word and have a lecture leader who says “some Christians interpret these versus this way” some interpret it this other way. It has helped me learn to listen to the Holy Spirit speak to me and really focus on why I believe what I do.

  I agree, its not for everyone, but if you are ignorant and haven’t done your homework, please don’t discourage others from trying this AMAZING study.

  Now, I’m saved. And I’m praying daily. And I love Jesus! Thank you for BSF!

• 26 Dena // Jul 4, 2008 at 8:44 pm

  there is so much i could say about my time at bsf as it has been so important in my life- i don’t attend at the present time but if there was a class nearer to my home i would.Yes there are guidelines and i know some people think it’s secretive – which puzzles me because i actually invited them to see for themselves! I think that seeing people
  so committed and the pursuit of holiness becoming a REALITY is just so counter-cultural these days that some people genuinely don’t know what to make of it and may feel they could never fit in ,(this is how I felt initially). However, The Lord moves in mysterious ways , and Jesus moved very close to me ,especially my first year doing the book of acts, and I walked with Him and He undid a lot of the unbalanced teaching that had previously crippled me. I remember it as the most blessed time in my Christian life, walking out of those classes knowing I was loved by God. All I would say is try it and be open to The Lord Jesus’ leading- sometimes we have to press – in and ‘put out into deeper waters’ to find the treasures.

• 27 Mrs. Ilse Schout // Jul 19, 2008 at 2:18 pm

  Could I please have some information on classes held in Victoria in the Eastern suburbs ?
  Thanking you in anticipation.

  Ilse Schout.

• 28 Karen // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:14 pm

  How many times has BSF been the stumbling block? How many people has BSF caused to turn from the study of scripture or a realtionship with Christ?
  Christ was not caught up in who was divorced or who drank etc. Christ communed with unsavory characters ,people others thought were beneath them .Christ spoke of the SPIRIT of the law ,not legalistic rules.

• 29 Lou // Aug 10, 2008 at 2:54 pm

  BSF is the best Bible study in the world. The fruit of those who study speaks for itself. The policies all have reasons. A discussion leader cannot have been divorced because BSF tries to make it as easy as possible for their class members to obey God. A discussion leader would never want a class member to proceed with a divorce because their leader was divorced. BSF is trying to protect God’s sheep! This is no different than God saying that an elder should be the husband of one wife. As far as women preaching in the church, BSF is NOT a church — it is a Bible study. Regarding alcohol, the alcoholic content in Bible times was much less than today. In addition, it is a major social problem today. It is not a rigid rule, it is like Paul saying he was willing to sacrifice his rights, even things he might feel entitled to, if it would help his brother. With the teaching of the Scripture every day at class, I don’t see why someone would feel the need to witness in class. Some people come to BSF with their own agenda. BSF tries to teach the Bible to as many people as possible, but alas, some people are apparently not teachable. Try a class yourself for a few weeks & you will be so blessed. God greatly uses this wonderful tool of BSF!!!

• 30 Pip // Aug 18, 2008 at 3:14 pm

  Cool, I agree totally Lou! I’m 21, female and part of a Young Adults BSF class, and can’t for the life of me understand why so many people get hung up about BSF because divorced women can’t be leaders, or why you all freak out at any form of organisation or rules! I guess Peter and Paul had no idea what they were talking about when they said churches should have them.
  Please have the grace to understand that the divorced rule isn’t a judgement thing, but undeniably alters a woman’s perspective on marriage especially, so that while she is complete and at peace in Christ, she may not be the one to guide and offer advice to other women who have not had the same experience. I love BSF, and I respect all that is asked of me as a discussion leader, because I know I represent Christ to the world and I will honour anyone presenting the Bible as the best way to get to know Him better.

• 31 Stacy Wilson // Aug 26, 2008 at 1:54 pm

  I have attended BSF on and off for several years. I have found it to be the best blessing to my life. To have the opportunity to have an indepth personal study has brought me closer to in a personal relationship with my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The great discussions have given me wonderful councel from great Christian woman and has empowered me to confidently discuss the bible with the lost or misguided. I would recommend it to anyone. My desire to learn has only grown. I crave the workd of God more than I ever did before.

• 32 Cathy // Oct 12, 2008 at 12:26 am

  I have attended BSF for under a year. I really enjoy the lessons i.e. the hand outs and thought provoking questions that accompany the study. I agree that the rules are rigid and it is not a atomosphere that is condusive to fellowhip. I treat it like a college class. If you want discipline, and to learn about this bible- BSF maybe a good fit.

• 33 David // Oct 27, 2008 at 11:52 am

  My walk has not been the same since I moved away and have no BSF class to attend. It provides such an insiteful and disciplined structure of sudying that has been very difficult to reproduce on my own. I attended for 4 years. I was saved after attending my second class. It taught me how to study the bible. I went home and did that and after a few hours of studying God’s word, I was saved! A pretty big deal for a Jewish guy! There were some very knowlegable men from my church who attended with me in the years to follow. They were bold and would have spoken up if they found fault in the study. To the contrary. I HIGHLY reccamend BSF. On a daily basis it will root you in god’s word like no other non-denominational study available(and it’s free). If you want a close relationship with God, BSF will surely get you there. It’s a great bible study. Absolutely invite non believers. God’s word will do the rest!

• 34 Judith Britten // Nov 19, 2008 at 10:33 pm

  I’ve been attending BSF in Chester, England, for 2 years (Romans & Matthew studies) until we moved to Qatar in September 2008. Any chance of BSF being brought to Qatar? How does a class get started?

  Blessings

• 35 Adam // Jan 14, 2009 at 6:35 am

  I attended my first meeting at BSF last night (1/12/2009). The people were nice and the teaching was general ok, but some things raised red flags for me. ……

  1) Founded and led by a woman and woman teachers: please don’t take this as a man-centered or a lack of grace, but the Bible says women are not to teach men. The lady “lecturing” kept repeating God’s way is the best and we must do things God’s way, but they why is teaching men?

  2) The founder lists her name as A. Wetherell Johnson, hiding her first name “Audrey”. Again, don’t take this as a lack of grace, but this is a common tactic to hide from the woman as leader/preacher/teacher issue. I don’t know their heart or intentions on the matter, but again it is a red flag.

  3) You can’t tell others in the group what church you go to and/or it is highly discouraged: this is just odd. I’ve been to many interdenominational bible studies / churches and I’ve never heard anything as odd as this.

  4) In the Young Adults class, a ration of 60% women / 40% men is maintained and enforced. This was repeated to me several times.

  5) No other commentaries are allowed. They say we only need to study from the Bible, but they give you a whole lecture and lesson notes full of their commentary. I pray and hope this doesn’t sound mean, but at first glance it seems they don’t want you to read anyone else’s commentary but theirs.

  6) All classes are the same every week all around the world, no matter where you go. Again, odd.

  …… Again, please don’t take this as me being mean or unsaved or having a lack of grace. These were things that just seemed either unbiblical or in the least very odd. I know of a number of friendly, cool believers and friends that go there and wanted to check it out. To put this as gently as possible, I almost wanted to ask one of my friends there if this was a cult. I realize by even saying this, it will unintentionally inflame some people. Please don’t take this the wrong way. I am not trying to discount your experience or growth through BSF. It sounds like a lot of good has come from those who attend. However, please take into consideration the Bible calls us to be Bereans and test teaching to make sure that it is correct. I wish I didn’t have to say these things, and I might go back again next week, but I just wanted to voice my concerns.

• 36 Pat // Jan 18, 2009 at 12:57 pm

  I have just been invited to a BSF class and attended the introduction. I sat through the lecture and it was good, but I just was not sure about signing up. For some reason it almost seemed like a cult following and I can not even explain why I felt like that. Should I go back?

• 37 Joanna // Feb 2, 2009 at 7:46 am

  I have been attending BSF for the past 4 years and have found it to be the best way for God to speak to me and teach me how to live my life His way.

  BSF certainly has a lot of rules and regulations, but what society or large group doesn’t? I’m certainly not a legalistic person but all the rules don’t bother me as I understand they are necessary to maintain order and a smooth flow of teaching and instruction to the many thousands of people world-wide who attend BSF.

  BSF isn’t perfect – nothing this side of heaven is perfect! But BSF does encourage believers to get to know Jesus and their Bible, and to live their lives according to Jesus and the Bible. Many churches don’t preach this today but rather preach a watered-down, culturally and socially acceptable version of christianity.

  I certainly encourage other believers to attend BSF if they can. I also recognise that BSF’s Bible-based teaching confronts many who would claim Jesus as their Lord but prefer to remain in control themselves and use their affront at all the rules as an excuse.

  Following Jesus will always be a very personal experience and we can never rely on any other person to guide us, only Jesus. Jesus has very clear claims and expectations of His followers and BSF teaches these expectations.

• 38 Cari // Feb 3, 2009 at 8:10 am

  To answer a few questions on the negative-I guess it might seem sort of cult-like in that it is strict, structured, and sort of exclusive of some, but the structure serves to make sure everything stays on course and we aren’t wasting time. How many times have you gone to teach a lesson, and someone in the group needs to talk about themselves? Or have you ever been in an interdenominational study to find one denomination dominating the rest? In my state, we are very heavy on one denomination, and it could really stir up heated discussions about trivial theology. I don’t like structure. I fly by the seat of my pants. But I certainly appreciate the discipline it has brought to my study, and that it forces me to seek the Holy Spirit to guide me. We would all be kidding ourselves if we thought a casual approach to study was always beneficial. I say, stick with it awhile and see past the snobbish rules, and try to get the most out of your personal study. It can’t be for everyone-maybe in the end you’ll still want to walk away.

  As far as the ugly comments from the other site I found, I can see the writer was looking to pass judgment on others, which seems to be her M.O. as the whole paper she wrote was centered around correcting the world. Not that we don’t all need correction, but her facts were off. She said something like “and they even said Moses did NOT have a speech impediment!” Check out Acts 7:22 compared with Moses’ claim that he “didn’t speak well, and never had.” I could almost believe that he lost some Egyptian/Hebrew eloquence while speaking with sheep and Midianites for 40 years, but then he threw in “and I never have…” which is in direct conflict to Acts 7:22 that Moses was strong in speech! No wonder God showed His righteous anger then.

  Anyway, I’ve been in and out as my schedule allows, and BSF has brought me to a new understanding of what it means to study the Bible in its entirety. I don’t just pick a verse and make it mean what I want it to, but I read it in context and seek out other scripture to support it, as is appropriate, and lean on the Holy Spirit to show me what I need to know.

  I can vouche for the nutty rules of the teachers as my sister was asked to teach and then was told very apologetically that they liked their leaders to be within 20lbs of their ideal weight. I can see what they mean about self control, but if overweight is wrong, then 1lb is wrong, over or under. That rule is apparently more of a guideline to encourage self control. And our leaders are finally allowed to wear pants. It’s true.

  So hate it, love it, whatever. But see God’s truth in clothing the priests and the seriousness of the call of holiness on our lives. There are rules. Women teaching? Well, I’m not going to split hairs, but while the men are out talking about what our churches need to do, women are busy serving and teaching. Someone’s got to do it.

• 39 Anonymous // Feb 15, 2009 at 2:11 am

  I am a BSF Children’s Supervisor and was a children’s leader for several years. Because I am divorced, I am not eligible to serve as a discussion leader or teaching leader, a fact that really galled me at the beginning. However, I now see the value in such a guideline. Having a now happily married, previously divorced woman as a discussion leader might make it very hard for a woman in her group to see why she should try to make her failing marriage work. And a divorced leader might be a turn-off to Catholics, who have as much right as protestants and non-denominational Christians to study the scriptures in BSF.

  The important thing to remember is that the guidelines are there for the purpose of not offending. BSF is an international organization with classes in countries that are a lot more conservative than the US or Canada, so it makes sense that we would need to be mindful of that in our choice of clothing. This is also the reason for the no social drinking rule. Having a glass of wine may not seem so bad if you’re among friends who don’t have a drinking problem, but what if you’re among people you don’t know well, and one is struggling with a secret alcohol addiction? Or what if you’re a leader in a country with cultural taboos against drinking alcohol? That glass of wine could certainly get in the way of the gospel because in such cases, it might be the only thing the people in that room notice.

  I can’t honestly say that I love all these guidelines, but I do see their worth, and more importantly, I see the spirit of humility that is behind them.

• 40 Judi // Feb 18, 2009 at 4:43 pm

  I wish to address some of the comments made by Blessed Discussion Leader // Apr 28, 2008 at 1:23 pm. Blessed Discussion Leader states “BSF began many years ago with basically no or little guidelines.” I think that if one reads A. Wetherell Johnson’s book one can see clearly that there were strict guidelines. The book states “In 1952, five women in her California church asked the former seminary instructor to teach them the Bible. Johnson agreed reluctantly, but only if her students would diligently answer written questions about the Scriptures.” However Johnson’s ” goal was always that people would study the Bible for themselves. ” This is a commendable goal. I believe that today many people do not do this, nor do they check out what is said at BSF (Acts 17:11), but blindly swallow all that is presented there. Blessed Discussion Leader also says, ” If something is said that is way off base scripturally, there is room for clarification from the leader. Further clarification is given in the notes and in the lecture.” I have sat in BSF discussion groups and heard doctrinally incorrect answers given, and been disappointed that the discussion leader has not addressed it, but merely thanked the person for their view and continued on. Neither the teaching leader or notes can address every issue that arises, nor do they address issues which at times should be addressed in case of offending people. This leaves many people without answers to questions they may have and is dangerous for some in the group who can be led into error (or continue in error) simply because the truth is ommitted. Did this, in my case above, mean that the discussion leader did not know the truth or that she was following BSF guidelines which says “there are no wrong answers”, or did she simply not want to cause dissension? Does this also mean that the teaching leader does not address issues as they should in case of offending people from some denominational groups, causing them to possibly leave. To not present the whole truth is to present error.
  Ann // May 19, 2008 at 11:19 am states BSF “aims to help people establish spiritual disciplines for themselves – disciplines like Bible study, prayer . . . which many don’t know how to do and have trouble establishing as daily habits.” This I believe is a positive aspect of BSF (and a sad indictment of where our churches are at). These disciplines are taught in seminars which occur as extras throughout the year.
  As a former children’s supervisor I believe the children’s preschool program is an invaluable aid for parents, but it does not replace what the parents should already be teaching their children at home. A toddler can learn things of God and retain what they learn for eternity (Is 55:11). It is a blessing to hear 2 year olds sing songs of praise to God, sit still through a Bible story and answer questions about it as well be able to repeat simple Bible verses and remember them later. The children hear Bible stories with happy endings as well as ones that don’t end happily e.g. Lot’s wife.
  Finally a personal question from this weeks lesson in ‘The life of Moses.’ “With all you have and know, what would you do if you were in a place similar to Shiphrah and Puah?” This “shifts the mind away from the absolutes of Scripture” as Virginia Donovan says in “Bible study fellowship: A closer look.” I have never liked this kind of question and refuse to answer them. How do you know how you will react until you are in a situation. You can think through situations until the cows come home but until you are faced with that situation you will never know how you will react. I know that from personal experience.
  I have had a break from BSF after 8 years of being involved in leadership positions as a discussion leader and children’s supervisor. It is only after much prayer and looking into this matter I have come to the sad conclusion that I can no longer be in a leadership position at BSF because of what Oncealeader calls ” widening ecumenical practices.” I have gone back to class because I believe I have the freedom as a class member to say what I cannot as a leader in my discussion group.

• 41 Dawn // Mar 6, 2009 at 3:37 am

  I personally have been in BSF for all seven studies and have found it to be a great growing experience. Women are to teach younger women, train their children. How better to teach a woman to love their husband, then to open the scripture so that that woman will become more like Christ, have the mind of Christ, etc. Discussing denominational practices is strongly discouraged, because the focus is on what they Bible says. These women are here, whatever denomination, to study the Word. IF they feel pressured into fitting into the mold of someone else’s denomination, then they might leave. LET THE WORD OF GOD speak to these men and women, then let the HOLY SPIRIT work to change their hearts…we are NOT the Holy Spirit. Studying the Word, and the Word alone can change hearts.

  The other point of the author involved women teaching…we are told to TEACH the younger women in Titus 2, so that is one definitely an error. As far as the upper positions, many of them are Administrative positions, not teaching positions. Deborah was a judge, Esther saved her people with her influence upon the king, Paul had a married couple as team mates (Aquila and Pricilla). The woman at the well, witnessed to many, pointing others to Christ. Ecumentical, doesn’t mean you have to put your head in the sand…you can share, exactly what the Bible and let the teaching leader bring it all together in the end, but again: LET THE WORD do its work, because scripture promises that HIS WORD will not return void. The Holy Spirit will open the eyes of the hearts of those who study it.

  Bible study Fellowship does have strict rules, but it’s to prevent scaring people away by being confused about the various denominational views, or feeling forced to become affiliated with a specific church, denomination or para-church group. Their SOLE purpose is to study the Word…let the Word, do its job.

• 42 Normajean // Mar 17, 2009 at 6:59 pm

  Is there a group in Launceston Tasmania

• 43 Matilda // Apr 23, 2009 at 11:41 am

  I have participated in BSF for 4 years. I cannot praise the study format enough; however the rules have made me disenchanted with the program. I will say some are very necessary, but some are void of common sense and Biblical teaching.

• 44 BSF and the Holy Spirit // Jun 24, 2009 at 7:24 am

  I was part of BSF for 4 years and a discussion leader for 3 of those years (1992-1995).
  I loved the time spent in the Word, and because of that I grew a lot spiritually. But oh the rules…

  When I was asked if I would be a discussion leader, there were certain requirements.
  You may not be overweight, been divorced at any time and you had to maintain a proper physical appearance. Skirts needed to cover our knees when sitting down and we were not allowed to wear pants.

  I had to sign a form to commit to certain rules. This might have changed, but back then it was that I would not drink alcohol or even have alcohol in my house or serve wine to guests.

  You had to state that you do not speak in tongues or have never been involved with speaking in tongues.

  You were not allowed to tell people about this document.

  I moved back to my country of birth and started to experienced God in new ways. A few years later I got baptised in the Holy Spirit and the Lord reminded me of that form I signed. I had to repent that I sinned in my ignorance about the Holy Spirit and His wonderful ways.

  It saddens me that BSF do not accept the gifts and the supernatural workings of the Holy Spirit.

• 45 Terri Nagel // Aug 25, 2009 at 3:16 am

  Dear fellow believers in Christ,

  BSF has certainly been a blessing in mine and my children’s lives. When curious or confused about a particular discussion or comment, I seek wise counsel, usually from the pastor of my own home church.

  Also, consider praying about your own motives when fretting about whether or not they accept a divorced woman. I do find it curious, though, that BSF doesn’t know if I’ve ever robbed a bank or had an abortion but is willing to presume that being divorced might be a conflict of interest. Good thing our King of kings knows me better and his plans are better than anything BSF could come up with for me. Same thing with practicing Catholics who have studied for seven years and are denied the ability to lead a discussion.

  Only Jesus knows our hearts and we know His voice.

• 46 Missing BSF // Sep 23, 2009 at 6:10 pm

  Oh how I miss BSF- I have moved too far away to participate in the nearest class. I reluctantly went to BSF after being invited for years. I joined mid-year in the History of Israel, and it was a challenge. I made it through, and continued on for over 10 years. It is the best study method I have ever used. The children’s preschool program is the best children’s curriculum, bar none! My children got a great grounding in the word, from preschool up to the 3rd level of the school program. I grew so much in my walk with Christ, and Bible knowledge….. Being a leader was a commitment, and a blessing.
  At first the guidelines were a little annoying, but I grew to appreciate them.. Our own rebellious hearts need a challenge sometimes. The dress code is simply one of professionalism and modesty. ( I for one, am SO TIRED of seeing immodest dress everywhere, even in our churches, including worship teams. I do not need to see cleavage at church. ) I see the need for guidelines after I was in a different group and it took 2 years to complete a 16 week Beth Moore Bible Study. Rabbit trails, people not doing the lesson, no commitment to regular meetings,…talk about frustrating! I have kept all of my lessons, and refer to them often, esp. when teaching Sunday School. BSF is like a free Bible college education. I urge everyone to try it, God will speak to you! BSF isn’t perfect, neither is any church, but the positives far outweigh any negatives.

• 47 Louise // Oct 7, 2009 at 11:02 pm

  Lets see….

  For discussion leaders…

  No divorced gals
  No fat gals
  No Catholic gals
  No alcohol
  No controversial spiritual gifts allowed

  I’m new to BSF this year. My discussion leader has called me at home twice. First to welcome me to her group. Next was to make sure that if I had any prayer requests to make sure that I knew that I should submit them to her and to make sure that my prayer requests were limited to my immediate family only.

  In BSF the rules rule!

• 48 Christine Lawrence // Oct 21, 2009 at 9:21 am

  I missed last weeks lesson and I was told I could get the questions off the net, but I have gone a bunch of places looking for this weeks questions on the book of John. Where can I find them? Christine

• 49 betty r. odom // Oct 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm

  I would like to get lesson 6 for next week. thanks betty

• 50 Hide Saito // Oct 22, 2009 at 12:27 am

  To Whom it May Concern
  It is the first time that i have learn the Bible and joined BSF at TUC 3 weeks ago.
  Could you let me know to take a Question sheet?
  I’d like to take John Lesson 6-Adult Questions.
  Regards,
  Hide

• 51 Pauline Tabalujan // Oct 29, 2009 at 3:42 pm

  I am looking for a BSF study that is close to home in Mt Waverley, Melbourne. Can u let me know where I can go for this study?

  Thank you
  Pauline

• 52 Come and See-BSF is Changing! // Oct 31, 2009 at 4:28 am

  Online questions can be found at

  http://www.bsfgroups.org

  If you have not been to BSF in a while or you have never attended…you need to attend-I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Much of what is typed above is not true or it is twisted or misunderstood or changed. Come and See for yourself.

  BSF is adding a new study of Isaiah Sept 2010. It is 2 weeks shorter than previous studies. Many ways they have done things in the past have been changing with the times.

  Any well run organization still has to have rules to offer a valuable service. If you are looking for an indepth Bible Study-BSF is it. BSF is a training center that teaches the Bible and trains leadership. There are many other studies out there to be involved in that offer different ways to study. Find one that fits your needs and stay focused on God’s Word.

• 53 Terry // Nov 4, 2009 at 7:52 am

  Very Rigid. This turns a lot of people off. Why would you want to turn anybody off who is seeking God?

• 54 Woi Lin // Dec 2, 2009 at 11:41 am

  I am going to move to WA next year. Can you tell me the locations of BSF classes in WA?

• 55 Anonymous // Feb 7, 2010 at 9:20 am

  Thank God for BSF. The in-depth study filled in the blanks of the jigsaw puzzle of my bible learning and I keep getting a picture and understanding of God’s Holiness and Righteousness with the study of Romans and The Life of Moses. To all leaders and members – keep up the good work. God bless!

• 56 Elizabeth Marsh // Feb 8, 2010 at 5:10 pm

  A lot of people seem to have very definate views on women never being allowed to teach men. I wonder if they have really looked into whether the bible actually teaches this. I would like to refer people to a book called ‘Why not women’ which looks at biblical passages concerning women.

• 57 JOSEPHINE NG // Feb 10, 2010 at 3:16 pm

  I am going to Brisbane this year…can advice me if there is any phone no i can call to check location?

  Thanks….

• 58 Linda // Feb 12, 2010 at 4:16 am

  Woi Lin,

  You can locate a BSF class near you by entering your zip code at:
  http://bsfinternational.org/Default.aspx?tabid=81&PageID=1

  There are many BSF groups all over Washington state– Seattle, Bremerton, Spokane, Vancouver, Olympia, Tacoma, and many more.

• 59 Gemmel // Mar 2, 2010 at 10:42 pm

  I also have been involved in BSF for a number of years and have no issues with men teaching men or women teaching women. My guide through Bible study is God through His Holy Spirit and as it is the Holy Spirits role in transforming our lives I can testify to the results of prayerfully seeking understanding in God’s word where I was struggling and the amazing teaching methods of God in my personal journey. It is a pleasure to study God’s word and find the nourishment I was seeking. Church and home study groups whet our appetite, nothing replaces the daily study of God’s word and the confirming of our understanding with life applications in directions we did not see for ourselves.

  It is wonderful how God speaks into the lives of individual people who collectively help to build and equip the lives of others to serve God. It is also wonderful to hear the testimonies of people who confirm how their lives have changed. Let us all be careful before a Holy God and prayerfully consider before we testify about Him and His word because it is to Him we will give an account and people who teach are more accoutable than those who seek to be taught and to learn. We are all called to choose our words carefully before a Holy God and to testify to the changes in our lives. BSF is what I was looking for to study and know God’s word. John 1 : 1-2

  Thank you for all those hard workers and volunteers in BSF headquarters who devotedly produce materials to allow a disciplined personal Bible study.

  Thank you to for all the guidelines of BSF that give it strength and stability and uphold its statement of faith and also support Biblical principles. Please do not modify these or water these down.

• 60 helen lucas // Mar 11, 2010 at 11:19 am

  i would love to attend bsf so could you let me know what is available in my area… thankyou

  helen

• 61 helen lucas // Mar 19, 2010 at 11:30 pm

  could you please let me know where the closest BSF is please.
  I live on the northern beaches sydney.
  thankyou

  Helen Lucas

• 62 newbiblecontest@gmail.com // Mar 30, 2010 at 3:11 pm

  BSF is truly heaven sent.

• 63 Sally Vermaas // Apr 24, 2010 at 10:30 am

  I attend BSF at St James Anglican Church Turramurra on the North Shore on Tuesdays at 9am

• 64 John // Apr 24, 2010 at 10:11 pm

  Ms. Lucas, Australian classes are given on the following BSF web page:

  http://www.bsfinternational.org/Default.aspx?tabid=81&PageID=0

  You will need to click on the Australia link on this page.

• 65 Barbara Gleeson // Jun 14, 2010 at 4:09 pm

  I’ve read through the comments given by others. I can understand why people are afraid of these rules, as once it was the rulesI had heard about that kept me from going to a BSF meeting. I remember thinking, ‘I haven’t lived this long to come under such rules…” There were very godly women friends who urged me to attend and I would say, “I just can’t join anything so structured, I can’t abide by such rules, .” Well, two years later, through a most Holy Spirit god-led moment, I was compelled by the Lord by no one’s prompting or invitation except but the Holy Spirit’s leading, to attend one night. OH MY! That night, the sin of my rebellion was revealed by the Holy Spirit as only He can convict as I saw and experienced the meat of the Word as well as the love of the leader for the Word and the people who attend. The amount of work that obviously takes place in preparation by the leader and team leaders, I was aghast! The leaders are professional people who have their own businesses and they were juggling their business, family, and the hours that goes into the Word of preparation…then the Word itself, what good it did me to have a good dig into the Word with such a great study notes and a class to discuss them with. The rules of BSF keep me in check. In the beginning I needed them,(going to BSF even when I had not done my notes, or just not wanting to go) but now, I can’t wait to get there, the rules are not needed, now I just value them. I honestly understand every one of the rules and I am grateful for every one of them. I had always been anti -rule…but I now call myself a Rule Gir! I am grateful for the accountablity of coming to BSF. As a society without structure and rules “do as you feel led” “come when you can” , it is shocking to be a part of something that is so ruled and structured. Yet, it is under this very BSF study that I have become so full of the Word in it’s rich teachings and question studies. I focus totally on the Bible Study, and I don’t even notice any of the other things that are mentioned in some of the earlier comments. The protection of not sharing where you go to church, I am glad of it. I’ve been to many church things in the past and I can understand every single rule BSF has…it’s wisdom and it’s protection for many for the kind of people who eventually come into places of study like these. The rules are for one purpose, to keep people focused on the Word of God and any fellowship that develops from these classes all intimate knowledge can be learned outside of class with them. I love the rules. There is so much safety in BSF. I can explain every one of them as I see it, but the truth is, every one has to work out their own salvation with fear and trembling. There is only one that I desire to fear and tremble over and that is my God, and I am learning the holy fear of God I have desired for so long, and I am so grateful I followed the Holy Spirit to my very first BSF meeting, and three years later I am saying to others…”I let myself be robbed of the most inspiring and wonderful Bible Study (BSF)of God’s Word for two full years because of the most rediculous fears about the rules of BSF.” I repented and I reap the benefits of the rich fruit of God’s Word growing with a great harvest as a reward. God Bless the leaders who have answered the call to lead BSF classes. May God bless you in all you do.

• 66 bob // Jul 15, 2010 at 12:05 pm

  Can someone point me towards the leaders rule book?

• 67 Francis S Darshi // Jul 26, 2010 at 2:51 pm

  I have been member of BSF for the past eight years. I confess that God has been good and teaching me about Him and to know Him personally. The study also helping me to grow spritually and be a source of encouragement to many. Now as a Children’s Supervisor, I am also learning through children as I serve them along with my team. The lessons are good and guided by the Holy Spirit to enrich and empower in day to day life as a person, family and the member of the Church community and the soceity at large. Thank you Jesus for the opportunity given to me be part of the BSF. May God bless and heal all who attend BSF and encourage to attend the BSF.

• 68 Isolda // Aug 3, 2010 at 3:55 am

  I was a Children’s Leader in BSF for 4 years, and am now the Children’s Supervisor for a day women’s class. As such, I am a staff member, together with the Teaching Leader, the Substitute Teaching Leader, and the Class Administrator. We work very hard to make sure that the “rules” are not the reason why people accept or reject BSF. Yes, there are rules, but these are much prayed over and are indeed subject to change by HQ. In the past year, it was decided that divorced people could indeed become Discussion Leaders (I myself am divorced and we have always been permitted to be CLs, and ALs). People who attend churches where charismatic gifts are used can also become leaders.

  But none of these rules was ever arbitrary. For example, the rule about women leaders having to wear skirts (no longer in effect) was based on the fact that BSF is an international organization with classes in some very conservative countries. HQ did not want to call negative attention to Christians by allowing its leaders to dress in a way that offended non-believers in these countries because that would place a barrier between those people and Christ.
  The rule about Catholics not serving as leaders (and yes, this is still in effect) is because the statement of faith (recognizing the primacy of the Bible as God’s inerrant word) that leaders are required to sign would conflict with the teachings of the Catholic church. BSF does not want to put a person in conflict with his or her own church, since its reason for existing is to equip Christians to serve in their churches. Its mission is to train Christian leaders, not to replace the church.
  BSF is not a perfect organization (this side of heaven, nothing ever will be), but it is a very useful tool for some people (not all, and BSF acknowledges this) to study the Bible in a methodical way.

• 69 raj ganesan // Sep 19, 2010 at 10:06 pm

  Would like to join a bible study group in sydney. i live along old south head road, rose bay nsw

• 70 maria oostenbrink // Nov 9, 2010 at 11:15 am

  What is the address of Bible Study Fellowship in Victoria?

• 71 Mark Campbell // Nov 22, 2010 at 12:05 am

  I would like Isaiah notes from lesson 8,9,10

• 72 Donna Yung // Jan 24, 2011 at 7:36 pm

  I was a BSF class member, then Children’s Leader then substitute teaching leader over a period of 13 consecutive years. I have been out of BSF for the past 11 years and I will be going back this year because BSF has introduced a new study – on the book of Isaiah.

  BSF is the most comprehensive lay bible study tool I know of – with a four-fold approach to Bible study that enables the Word of God to be embedded deeply within. It focuses purely on teaching participants to know God’s Word for themselves and to apply it to their daily lives through dependance on God and the empowering of the Holy Spirit. It does not get distracted from that goal.

  I learnt to walk more closely with the Lord during those 13 years than I could ever possibly have imagined.
  It pains me to read the focus of the negative comments listed here. They are incidental to BSF’s teaching of the Bible. Yes, some of the guidelines can be tedious, but there is a good reason for each of them. Everything BSF does is prayerfully considered before being implemented. 1000 plus worlwide classes (from a group of 5 women in 1952) testify to God’s blessing on the organisation. Because it is a large global organisation change comes very slowly – and only after much prayer and God’s direction. There are so many different cultures studying the Bible through BSF. The guidelines are the same for all classes in all countries – so cultural differences are also a consideration when setting universal guidelines.

  Attendance is a CHOICE, so it is not necessary to attack BSF’s methods if you don’t agree with them. Anyone can attend an Introduction Class and ask questions. Members are free to leave at any time, although that would be sad if it were premature. To do justice to the comprehensive nature of BSF, you really need to attend for at least six classes to get a fair taste of what BSF has to offer. Classes are very structured because there is a lot to get through in a short space of time and classes do not run late – so members can be confident they will get away on time. This is particularly important for working men and women and busy people. Many classes have waiting lists.

  I did not agreed with everything BSF taught during my 13 years in class – and that is my prerogative – but those instances were rare. They certainly have not tainted my appreciation of God’s incredible gift of BSF. For the greater good of the discussion group I kept my (strong) beliefs to myself when Scripture was open to interpretation.

  I thank God for the amazing opportunity I had to study His Word through BSF for so many years and to thereby come into a deep and abiding relationship with our lovely Lord Jesus. BSF equipped me to not only serve in my church and community but taught me leadership skills and confidence in whom I am in Christ. Above all, through 13 years of serving the LORD as a volunteer BSF leader and the total commitment that was required, both for preparation and on class day, I was in turn equipped to be “more than a conqueror through Jesus Christ” when my husband died prematurely and I have had to be both mother and father to our children. A deep understanding of God’s ways equipped me to be totally dependant on His faithfulness to His promises and to wait on His timing in all things.

  I’m SO looking forward to reconnecting with BSF this year in a brand new study and to what God has in store for me through the study of Isaiah- there will be both challenges and blessings, I’m sure.

  To anyone considering BSF – please don’t be put off by the attacks on BSF on this website. Be prayerful in your considerations. God will direct you. If you do join a BSF class, commit yourself fully to studying the BSF way and ask God to keep you focused on Him through the study of His Word. You will get out of the study as much as you put into it, and you will be blessed beyond what you can possibly imagine.

  God bless you from ex-BSFer, Sydney, Australia.

• 73 Susan // Jan 28, 2011 at 3:22 pm

  In the 3rd class I attended (which was just last week), I committed the unpardonable sin – I asked someone what church they went to – GASP!

  She had been talking about a program her kids were involved in and I simply wanted to know where they participated. It really bothered me to be told “I’m not allowed to tell you that.”

  That is just stupid. I understand that we don’t want to spent time talking about our churches and/or get into denominational differences, but I think not being “allowed” to simply state where you attend church is going overboard – following “the letter of the law, rather than the spirit of the law.”

  It really has turned me off and I really don’t even want to continue in BSF, so we’ll see.

• 74 Anonymous // Feb 12, 2011 at 4:04 pm

  What about the rule that you can’t be a BSF Leader if you are fat! What about other’s hidden sins? Then, there shouldn’t be any BSF Leaders because we all sin!

• 75 Ruth // Mar 5, 2011 at 12:27 pm

  I have been attending BSF this year and have some comments to offer. Due to life’s many stresses, I felt desperate for an in depth Bible study experience in which I could have fellowship as well with other believers. I liked the idea of just using the Bible as a source instead of another workbook +Bible type of study.I soley wanted the truth of God’s Word to help restore my hurting soul.
  I soon realized that the singing at the beginning with the large group was not for me as the group seemed so depressed and woefully hardly able to squeeze out a tune that it just made me more sad. No joy.
  The discussion group was my next experience. I was refreshed by the fact that others truly had done their homework and wanted to participate in learning about God. The leader kept us on track and in order to do that the sharing was and is highly limited–always with an eye to the clock you know.. because we must file in to hear a lecture that is given again in a joyless atmosphere.
  I relish the study time and love to learn from God’s Word and find the re-entry to the lecture interruptive and disappointing because due to the necessity of getting into the overly long lecture, we also are not allowed to pray together as a group. Unity will never be possible without this “luxury” of praying together and is almost enough in itself for me to not participate anymore. …it sure is constricting to one’s sense of Christian sisterhood.
  I understand the need for guidelines and order, but it seems in this BSF case that the guidelines have become the ruler of the people and not the other way around as Jesus modeled for us in His care and spirit of loving for us. Hope this reaches to someone who is also hurting and disappointed in yet another human made system that falls short of what the glory of God and spirit-filled living have to offer us.
  Winnipeg, MB

• 76 Alison Hall // Mar 24, 2011 at 10:30 am

  Hi Everyone,
  Just a few comments on BSF.
  I am currently attending my 8th Year and enjoying it immensely as usual.
  Let me first begin by saying “Yes” when I first started I was so annoyed by all the rules. But praise God even though I grumbled through for about 2 years God eventually changed my attitude and now I actually appreciate all the rules. I must admit when I found BSF and the fantastic teaching I decided I would commit to it no matter “what” as it was a window of opportunity God was granting me to study His word in such a thorough way. After having been to some weird and quiet frankly “wrong” teaching of the bible in many of the “so called” modern churches of our day it was an absolute treasure of a find for me to stumble across BSF and all the fantastic thorough correct teaching of the bible. I thank God for BSF as it has completely changed my life being able to dig so deep into Gods word each week. To some it may not be perfect if you are annoyed by the rules but if you can stick it out God will indeed do an amazing work in your life that you simply could not have got anywhere else in this world! Praise God for BSF and all those wonderful ladies that dedicate their time to teaching etc. Good on you I say! I am sure you will have your reward in Heaven.
  THANKYOU BSF – AND I FOR ONE WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY TO GOD FOR THIS WONDERFUL WORK THAT I KNOW IS AND WILL BRING GLORY TO HIS NAME!!

  God Bless You! – Alison (Melbourne BSF Group)
  Australia

• 77 angela // Apr 19, 2011 at 4:38 am

  I have attended BSF for 25 years with the exception of brief leave when my youngest 2 children were born. I and thankful and so grateful to the Lord for this unique and serious study of His Word. when we look at the total picture the guidelines surface as insignificant. With the equipping I received and still receive I have been able to see God’s faithfulness and Sovereignity when my son, aged 21, died last year. This is a tool that God uses to expose His Word. It is up to us HOW we use it. I am so so grateful I was able to take some of my children and the comfort given to me in time of crisis. My son made a commitment through BSF and reading his notes now, after his death is amzing. I also have great joy now, after 25 years how the Lord has directed my husband to attend. As christians, let us not squabble over the minor issues and remember WHY we attend BSF. I thank the Lord for this organization that He has used and still using to teach, correct and equip me. I doubt one would find a better or more serious Bible Study.

• 78 marie spradling // May 17, 2011 at 11:24 pm

  What happened to Minor Prophets in the study – Did Isaiah replace it in the 7 year schedule?

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• 80 John Martine // Jul 1, 2011 at 10:56 pm

  I was introduced to BSF last September in Houston. My work brought me to Brisbane Australia April 6th. I want to find a Mens Study Group. I live near the Queens Street Mall in one of the highrise apartment buildings. From here, my work will take me to Saudi Arabia about October.

• 81 Sand. Ellis // Sep 11, 2011 at 10:37 am

  Could anyone tell me if there is a BSF group somewhere on the Mornington Peninsula Victoria.?

• 82 Mitch // Oct 7, 2011 at 9:03 pm

  I started BSF just a few weeks ago and had an interesting experience my first night in the small group. Our leader taught that the 2nd coming of Christ prophesied by the angels in the beginning of Acts was the rapture. I believe it is the return of Christ after the tribulation. I emailed one of my contacts and asked for our leader’s email so I could ask him about it but I was told emails were not given out. So I decided to bring it up in the group discussion and I was told this was not the time for “those types of questions”. And that was it. I later learned “fellowships” were the time to ask “those types of questions” but was never told what “those types of questions” were. (Since the scenario under which I brought it up was, Does anyone have any questions about last week’s lecture?)
  There was also a passage that tells how the early believers lived and the notes state how that is a model for today. Loving each other, eating together, etc present no problems but the Bible also says they sold all their possessions and basically lived as socialists. So I brought that up, too (should we do that? I was so anxious to hear people’s thoughts)and the guy next to be told be to “stick with the questions on the sheet and do not jump ahead, that happens later”. I was kind of shocked that someone would attempt to embarrass me like that. The discussion leader said nothing and we moved on as if the matter was solved. It was an eye opener for me. I have some background in Bible teaching and my college classes were not like that. Questions were encouraged and so was the exchange of ideas. There were not wrong times to ask questions nor were their others in the class who told people to pipe down; (he was wrong, by the way, the subject to which I was referring was in that context, but it is true it went into more detail on the subject in a later chapter.)I am going to continue to attend because I made a committment to do so but for those of you who said BSF feels odd; well, it feels odd to me, too.
  Mitch

• 83 Jo Tinsman // Oct 15, 2011 at 2:04 am

  I am trying to find a Bible Study Fellowship in or near Sequim WA.

  Can you help me? We need this so very much in Sequim WA. Thank you

• 84 Margaret L. Goldston // Oct 31, 2011 at 1:25 pm

  I attended BSF many years ago. I didn’t like the rules, so I didn’t go back. From what I’m reading, maybe we all just need to see it for what it is. You are being taught the Bible. That’s it. Possibly they need to drop the word Fellowship as part of the title. That would alleviate any expectations for fellowship going in to it. If you long for fellowship, you might need to find it elsewhere.

• 85 Jeff // Nov 14, 2011 at 12:55 pm

  Bsf now for 3 years; John, Isaiah, and now Acts. Have been very surprised by some of the things I’ve read in these columns, so many complaints! This negativity has not been my, nor my wife’s experience. Yes, the beginning music is from a hymn book, no guitars or drums (I prefer the upbeat tempos personally), but it is okay. Discussion group is usually lively and is a mix of newer and older Christians of multiple denominations, but men taking a stand for the truth of God’s word. By the way, all of my discussion group leaders have always been more accessible (phone, text, and email) than I am! And they call me once weekly to touch base and see if they can help. Lecture and the notes clarify and dispel any lingering issues from a biblical standpoint. I’m not sure of the divorce prohibition on women/ men group leaders, but a Godly friend has a “great” leader who has been divorced. In all, it has been an overwhelmingly positive experience for me, Christian for 35 years. I’m studying scripture regularly and am growing closer to God.

• 86 Kristine // Apr 11, 2012 at 1:16 am

  For the love of God folks, BSF members are studying the BIBLE! They are reading GOD’s words! How can that be bad?? All these petty remarks…”yea but anyone is invited, even sinners”,(God still wants you to study his word). “Yea but leaders can’t have been divorced” (God still wants you to read the Bible). “Yea but women lead discussions and it says in the Bible they shouldn’t teach” (God. Still wants you to study th Bible). Bottom line people who study the Bible are not going to hell just because a women taught it, or because it was led by a BSF group. The person who dives into God’s word will be blessed by God..period.

• 87 Larry Pray // Apr 20, 2012 at 11:41 am

  I am a pastor of the United Church of Christ. Some years ago, some folks in our church became involved in BSF. As they did, they drifted away from our church, and finally left. Along the way, they were told they could not read books other than the Bible. The lectures, and small-group Bible study was the be-all and end-all experience. The BSF doorway to meaningful faith became a BSF exclusive. I was sad, and somewhat appalled. If we are to love God with all our heart, strength, soul and mind, should we eschew reading? Such a system locked Jesus out of religious authorities so long ago.

  The fundamental perception that notes how little we study or take the Bible to heart is right on. But to insist on controlled access strikes me as a step away from Truth itself. Narrow truth always insists on its own way. The love of Christ leads to something else, a realization that we are always learning.

  Or so it seems to me. So, I’d say, “Good for you.” And then I’d ask, “Has your work widened and deepened your embrace of life? Or does it insist on its own way?”

  Those of us of a progressive stance, need to be corrected. Those who insist in judgment need to be reminded of the wideness of God’s mercy.

  Or so it seems to me.

• 88 Elaine // May 22, 2012 at 2:09 pm

  As a school teacher, I understand the need for rules and structure in any learning environment. I also know that for some people, rules are a “turn off” and some folks just have to find fault in everything. No organization, school, church or Bible study group can ever be perfect for all people. I can only attest to the joy and fulfillment in God’s Word to which BSF has led me. We have just completed our study of the acts of the Apostles and had our Share session tonight. I thank God for BSF as I continue to grow in my walk with him through the nourishment provided by this organization.

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